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Heroes Volume Three ‘Villains’ video clip

The third volume of Heroes, “Villains’, will air during the second half of Heroes Season Two. Here’s the preview aired by NBC after the conclusion of the last episode of Volume Two.

Warning: the video contains a scene that some might find disturbing.

To view the same video, hosted on YouTube, click on ‘read more’

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Sylar
Dec 4, 2007 2:38

I’m Back!!!!!!!! I cant wait to kill all of them!!! Muaahahahaha

Random
Dec 4, 2007 2:41

Does anyone else think the title for volume 3 is gay? “Villians”, That means there better me more action and more blood and other bad guys besides sylar which he will kill them. The question is, How long do we have to wait for volume 3?

boooo
Dec 4, 2007 2:56

i am deeply disturbed by that image of the spinach can….

whoooo
Dec 4, 2007 3:31

Whats wrong with spinach? I like spinach but if it has ecoli then im screwed!

jason
Dec 4, 2007 3:41

the spinach is obviously a refrence to popeye as thats where he got his power from lol or just symbolic that its the first thing he used his powers on (energy food) either way great scene

Sad Sack
Dec 4, 2007 3:53

Look out, Olive Oyle!

CKH
Dec 4, 2007 4:05

i think the disturbing scene is referring to the injection part. It looks like taking drugs, dosen’t it?

L
Dec 4, 2007 5:03

I’m pretty sure it’s Mohinder’s cure and not drugs he is injecting :P

jerome
Dec 4, 2007 5:09

when did sylar get healing abilities?

Ad3sa
Dec 4, 2007 5:24

Man…I saw the last episode and at the end I was like “WTF?!”. They can’t do this to us. We want normal ending not this one.
But really, we are sitting there waiting for Nathan to, you know and bamm it happens. I don’t say what because I don’t wanna spoil:P

mohinder
Dec 4, 2007 5:24

because the cure is a mixture of Claire´s blood which cure his injuries

Pol
Dec 4, 2007 6:18

for when the third part???

Dawn it!!

HeroesFan110
Dec 4, 2007 6:43

One of my favorite characters dies at the end :( This is really disappointing… they had better make up for it in Volume 3

Ed
Dec 4, 2007 7:00

I don´t know what you guys think, but the fall finale was really disappointing. What a turn off..now what? another 4 months before we can see anything new? That is crap…I know the strike is responsible for that, but still the ending was below average at best.

That strike is ruining TV, if it takes too long to end they might not have a job to go back to.

maria
Dec 4, 2007 7:20

i love sylar!! this scene was sooo hot by the way!

Peter Petrelli
Dec 4, 2007 7:30

another dragged out story line… it took sylar a whole ‘Volume’ to regain his powers. what a joke!

Glad to see peter finally mastering his powers… ok 1 thing.

Peter watched Adam cure Nathan with his blood… Peter can do what Adam can do, so why dosn’t Peter think lets try giving him some of my blood?!

Any way… ‘Powerless’ was an exciting episode, loved it! Bing on Volume 3!!

darryl
Dec 4, 2007 7:44

Loved the cliffhanger to volume 3!!! Cant wait!!!
One question? What happened to peters irish girl? did he forget about her? Maybe for the best.
The writers strike needs to end!!!!

DESU
Dec 4, 2007 7:44

ok guys, when will the next episode air? Is it true what Ed says? 4 months????
They can’t do that to me!

minaTTi
Dec 4, 2007 7:44

Popeye the “Sailor” man…
Sylar = Sailor?!
I´m getting bored to see always the same villain coming back at every season finale…
sylar is old… get us new bad guys!!!

And, c´mon, Sylar is gay.

Lexindro
Dec 4, 2007 8:12

What did Angela Petrelli mean with “Now you’ve opened Pandora’s Box…” ???

evil23
Dec 4, 2007 8:18

I think “Peter Petrelli” figured it out…….Nathan doesn’t die, peter will give him his blood and nathan will be cured.

poor micah has lost both his parents now, ah well…..

sylar needs an evil gf

(james) petrelli (squire)
Dec 4, 2007 8:29

this is best show on tv and most likely always will be
and sylar is a bad ASS villain. im mostly a peter a family fan so i would like to see more about the petrelli family go down in volume three . not to say i dont like the concept of “villains”any way thanks for a show that really dose inspire me do be a better man while keepin me on the edge of my seat each episode
thanks to the writers plz plz plz plz plz with a cheery on top keep doin your thing
thanks to all of the actors woking on the show it wouldnt be same show with out any one of u guys n gals thanks i hope ur on the air 4 the rest off my life or till i make show about some of my characters watch out tim lol

p.s we all got a little bit of good and we all got a bit bad

YOU JUST HAVE TO CHOOSE…………….LMFAO

coro
Dec 4, 2007 8:44

It means that Peter is pretty pissed out now that his bro was killed by the company…or not..we didnt saw the funeral after all…we’ll see in season 3 if nathan/nikki is dead…the thing i hate most is the 4 months break after half a season..12 episodes!? wtf..i know they were fantastic some of them..but only 12?!

peter petrelli
Dec 4, 2007 8:48

o yay, sylar is back AGAIN, whoo, yeh, this is gonna b a real exciting season .NOT!

UnFoRGiVeN
Dec 4, 2007 9:19

Come on people. Sylar plays really good his part as a villain. I can’t imagine a better person more dangerous than him. And I do believe that we all kind ‘a want to see some fights between Sylar and Peter. I enjoyed the last episode, to bad that we have to wait four months for the next season…

GreekBrainEater
Dec 4, 2007 9:22

there is a song from led zeppelin called “immigrant song”.
when i saw that can floating i just sang the beginning of the song, if u have heard it ;)
Peter has at last become smart.
Im very sad about Nathan, but we all saw that the man who killed him was his old self, so i say he has a twin brother or some “problems” like niki-jessica. think about it its interesting.
Monica really needs to watch all tsaki tsan movies!
Micah is becoming powerful , he switched lights from distance.
Matt has reached the top.
Hiro is 100% good. Thats why he cant kill adam, morality.
As ive been saying for over 2 months, kill angela, shes the villain of the story, probably her powers are like peters!
We have much to expect from Maya.
Suresh is gay.
Now i want you all to welcome back my friend Sylar! “Hello Sylar!” HE RUNS THE SHOW!

now about volume 3:villains.
ive been expecting this soooo long. please writers of the story, do not focus on any past villains. what we want to see is some Sylars opponents. damn yeah! We want some real fight
example:
peter shooting radiation to sylar and freezing radiation!
Sylar shooting radiation to peter and peter flies above him!
come on !

ps: dont you dare let adam out, please!
ps2: i bought an ipod, im out of the searching.

ps3: angela petrelli is talking to the man who saved sylar, hohoho! its getting fun! :D

GreekBrainEater
Dec 4, 2007 9:25

my mistake i meant…

ps3:….”saved”…..

ms.anonymous
Dec 4, 2007 9:43

omg omg omg!!!!

Powerless was the bomb man! i thought this episode was quite good. so its “villains” now and not “exodus?”

RED CARPET FOR SYLAR!!! Weee~

and didnt expect nathan to be shot. i thought he will die from the virus. that was sooo unexpected! i was effing all the wayy man! and did angela planned to shoot nathan from exposing themselves to the public? did she ask some1 else 2 shoot him? how dare she???? its her own son!!! she matters more about the company (or whoever) rather than her son’s matters!

and where did the spoiler “elle bringing down sylar” come from?? where did this part come in??? she didnt technically bring him down did she?

The Big Dog
Dec 4, 2007 10:13

1) Sylar is back - Cool!

2) The man I saw leaving the scene after shooting Nathan looked to me like HRG. When Claire finds out that her adopted father has shot and killed (if he dies that is….) her biological father - I wonder how she’ll feel or what she’ll do about it…

3) Pandora’s box is open? I wonder Angela Peterelli is referring to this new, younger, generation of heroes and the trouble they are about to cause the older generation? i.e. wanting to go public, being more powerful? Who knows!

The next volume is going to be good….

dday23
Dec 4, 2007 10:16

Great episode! Did anyone notice the blooper(s)?

Like Maya appearing with her gunshot wound *before* she got shot? :P

Jay
Dec 4, 2007 10:28

Pandora’s box refers to every news reporter now knowing that there is infact a secret company trying to stay hidden in the shadows… The assassination (attempt?) on Nathan would prompt all reporters to research the story :p.

Could very well be HRG, if so that means the person Angela was speaking with was Bob… Although it could also be some villian we have yet to meet… Possibly another Petrelli son or infact Aurthur.

I have a suspicion that the original volume 2 finale would not have contained the part where Peter stops the virus from hitting the floor and it would infact be let loose hence why the volume 3 was originally labeled “Exodus”. But i guess the writers wanting bigger houses and fasters cars has weakened the storyline, joy.

A point to consider… How the heck was the security so weak around the press conference, the assassin was in the crowd and then simply walked off without even a smidge of hassle >_>

alfonso
Dec 4, 2007 10:35

the sexy is back ! ha, long live to sylar.
i think the one who killed nathan is his father, arthur petrelli. i dont think is noah, is someone who knows a lot ms petrelli and noah, inst in that level.
yeahh ms petrelli was talking to Nathans killer… and pandoras box is peter seeking for justice.
Adams finale was great and pretty sadistic from hiro, but think he is coming back (or somewhere in the future he is going to be back).
it was very sad to watch hiro after deafeting Adam.

i dont think we will see west anymore.

for the good of the series i hope that nathan and nikki are dead. i dont think that peters blood can heal others, he can use that hability but he has to will it, and his blood in other person, dont think has the same effect.

did you watch bbc2 special promos? they can be found somewhere in http://www.zonaheroes.com , in those u can watch peter seeing trough a whole a lot of volcanic mounsters (ULURU????/mr petrelli???)

Maya would have been an extrordinary villian, but now that she is wich suresh i dont know… it would be cool if she goes after sylar looking for revenge.

what will sylar do? go after the company? or killing a lot of heroes to take their habillities. if quinto starts to work star trek movie, it would be easy to have his role in the series now that he has candice hability.

i am sure that now we are going to see a lot of the original 12 (and thats hiro and angela petrelli are still alive).

alfonso
Dec 4, 2007 10:39

heyyy check this !!!!

http://www.heroestelevision.com/heroes-volume-3-is-called-exodus/

Tim Kring mentions that Vol. 3 will have a “legion” of villains that will possibly join forces against the Heroes.

The fate of Nathan, who was shot during a TV press conference, and of Niki, who may have died in an abandoned building explosion, are “up in the air and will be determined when we come back after the strike,” Kring says. “Things are fairly dire for them both.” Immortal Adam was teleported by Hiro (Masi Oka) into a coffin buried in the same Japanese cemetery where his father Kaito (George Takei), who was slain by Adam, is also buried. “It’s poetic justice to have Adam end up in the same graveyard as Kaito,” Kring notes. “We’ve given the audience no reason to believe that Adam can figure a way to get out of there. The fact that he can live forever makes this the most gruesome of internments. If this happened to any of us, at least we’d know we’d soon have the mercy of death. Not here.

“Witchy, bitchy Elle, who wound up saving the lives of Mohinder (Sendhil Ramamurthy), Maya (Dania Ramirez) and little Molly (Adair Tishler), clearly sparked when Mohinder called her a hero. “Kristen Bell gave us the perfect reaction in that scene,” Kring says. “For a moment there, Elle sees she’s been given an opportunity to use her powers in a good way. And she absolutely likes the sound of that word ‘hero.’” Not to worry. There are plenty more baddies coming after the writers’ strike concludes. In fact, the title of Volume 3 — “Villains” — says it all.

“We’ve introduced a cadre of them over the course of the show and we’re going to see them rise up,” Kring says. “Just as the heroes have found each other to save the world, the villains will do the same with the opposite intent.” And their numbers may be legion. “The Company has catalogued many of these people over the years. There may be more of them down in that basement than we have alluded to so far.”

Will Sylar (Zachary Quinto) be their ringleader? After being electro-zapped by Elle, Mister Eyebrows escaped to a back alley and skeevily injected himself with Claire’s (Hayden Panettiere) blood. Then, in a wicked salute to Popeye, he telekinetically grabbed a can of spinach and said, “I’m back!”

“Sylar getting his power back does not bode well for our heroes,” says Kring, who admits there is one upside to the writers’ strike: Originally, Quinto was not going to be available for much of Volume 3 because of his commitment to the new Star Trek film. Now, with the strike dragging on, he’ll likely be done playing young Spock by the time Heroes returns to production.

Full Article: TV Guide

nathan=dead
Dec 4, 2007 10:55

Jay, i agree that we probably got the ending designed for if the strike was going to go on for a while, because it seemed to wrap things up more than previous Heroes Finales. However you seem to be woefully misinformed about the TV writers strike. Right now, for every sale of a DVD, the writers get 4 cents. All they are asking for is 8 cents. If you think that is asking for too much then you clearly don’t seem to realize that that the writers are the driving force behind the show.

On another note,
1) Niki’s death seems like it was a waste. The whole “get Micha’s stuff back” plot seemed insignificant in the face of the threat of the virus. I think they could have killed another character and allowed for more plot behind it. As it is there will not be much follow up on it. If they had had another character kill another main character, there would be more follow up plot when the show returns. the only good thing i can see coming from this is a Micha-Monica superhero team.

2) Sylars return took WAY to long, but at least they got there. With the new name of volume 3 “Villains” it sets up for the structure of the show when it comes back. With the good people (Peter and Parkman, Hiro, Monica and Micha) fighting against the bad (Sylar, the company, possibly more)

3) The addition of Claire’s blood having healing properties seems like a mistake. it make it so if someone dies with out the destruction of their head, it wont stick. When, in the show, death (such as Nathan’s) will no longer have any significance. They can all just come back. This feels like a bad way for them to be able to keep actors but still move the plot along with death. But now it will be like, “They tried to kill Nathan and now hes still alive but they know the company can kill.”

4) Maya should have stayed dead, she has done nothing to redeem herself and doesn’t have any plot significance.

5) Claire is annoying. All she is doing is complaining about how her dad died. Micha lost both parents and is bitching less. Also, her plot over the last two episodes was useless. She said she was going to expose the Company, then her dad told her not to, and now she won’t. Totally useless cycle

Still love the show and can’t wait for it to return

metronome
Dec 4, 2007 11:02

well, great, both of claire’s fathers got shot!:D what an irony.

and it is funny to see how a father and a daughter could think the same think at the same time: exposing the company

wireless...Dan
Dec 4, 2007 11:09

I thought the ending was not bad considering….

Ok, Peter’s gonna heal Nathan, that’s a given….

Who shot Nathan? HRG of course….he got forced into it by Bob. I still think Claire’s gonna go rogue…she’s definetely HRG’s daughter…She’ll be trying to meet up with Nathan and Peter again…

Elle’s a hero now. Yay!!!!!!! I love her!!!!! She can zap me all day long!!!!! I think she’ll turn against her father and team up with Maya, Molly, Mohinder…maybe even Peter, Nathan and Matt as well by association…She’s found out the truth about what her father did to her…

Sylar’s gonna be wicked in season 3. ooooooohhhhh i can’t wait to see what power’s he’ll run into….And guys….Sylar doesn’t want/need a team. He’ll just take any and all powers he can find. He has all his powers back and that makes him a formidable opponent.

Peter’s got sweet control over his abilities now. Even radiation…let’s see what he can do next season!!!!!!

Niki’s gone….that’s a shame, I liked her character….Suresh can’t heal her now….

Love how Adam’s locked in a box….he’ll wish he could die sooner or later…..but I don’t quite think that’s the end of him just yet…I got no theories….I’m gonna wait and see this one…

Bring it back!!!!!!!!!! I command you Kring!!!!!!!!

Leeeeeroy Jenkins!
Dec 4, 2007 11:14

I think Mama Petrelli meant “you just pissed off the most powerful hero in the world by killing his brother. LOOK OUT!!!” Peter’s gonna freakin blow!!!

orovoros
Dec 4, 2007 11:24

Hallooooooooo…
We are forgeting someone here, for killing Petrelli and escaping so easy.
Claude the Invisible Man “IS ALIVE”

alfonso
Dec 4, 2007 11:37

was he dead ?. he just was electrocuted and then he desapear, but i dont think he is coming back. besides who was walking after the shoot ??? (umm or the 2 of them are back HGR and claude)
Love the show :)
but when we will see VILLIANS ????????????
what would you prefer to watch willians in march or febr without too much protagonism of sylar. (i dont know when the shows seasons starts) or watch it in september and have a third season with the full protagonism of sylar. ???

Godsend17
Dec 4, 2007 11:40

the guy who said peter could give nathan his blood
well his bloodcells do not have healing powers…

those cells absorb form of other type of cells…which eventually allows him to..u know..do whateva
***
i have no bloody idea whats goin on…Sylar back..u gotta think
he is the main arc of volume 3..but u get mrs petrelli plannin to shoot her own son..and saying somethin about the pandora’s box..
which means u released the evil
***
And i want to take u back to the Newspaper clip Bob showed nathan..
the one which read…Storm in Miami…
and Adam says something similar to Hiro..
Enlighten me

HEROES IS DEAD ON

marin
Dec 4, 2007 13:43

about adam… i know he cannot die of old age or wounds.. but what about starvation… we all need energy… he would die eventualy..

marin
Dec 4, 2007 13:44

on that note… can he eat himself.. his.. lets say hands?

blarg
Dec 4, 2007 14:52

peters blood isnt directly healing… that wud only give nathan the temporary power to absorb

im thinkin pandoras box cud be a reference to peters anger or hate?!?!

lisa
Dec 4, 2007 14:58

is everyone sure that it will take as long as 4 months to come back on. is there a date or is that just a guess that everyone has bought into? what is all this about a strike? i couldn’t believe it was only 11 episodes long i was really enjoying it!

lisa
Dec 4, 2007 15:12

mabee pandoras box is the virus was it actually distroyed? peter didnt really dispose of it properly he just let it crumble and fall to the ground?

orovoros
Dec 4, 2007 16:59

about the virus case i don’t think that if you nuke something it is possible to resist,
maybe it was fake and they are going to release it afterwards,
don’t forget that mama Petreli told Peter that his brother was one of the first victims of the virus.
but did she actually meant by the virus or the virus situation general

Ed
Dec 4, 2007 17:01

I´ve heard that IF the strike ends before xmas, they will resume shooting new episodes around February and the new episodes would air on April.

I think the strike is ruining TV for everybody, including the writers. It sucks hardcore. They want more money, nothing wrong with that. But at the same time they are fighting for what they want, they are also punishing the audience and everybody in the industry as a side effect. People are getting fired all over the place.

Now back to heroes…I love the series as a whole. But last night’s episode was clearly rushed. Average at best and definitely not good enough for the 4 month hiatus that will follow. Still my favorite show on TV. At least they have the strike to blame. Lost make it´s audience wait for 8 months to show something new.

orovoros
Dec 4, 2007 17:02

Nobody keeps only one of a kind, if he is the person who can make it,
there is always a backup.

Ernie Oporto
Dec 4, 2007 17:39

Imagine if you were Peter and someone just assassinated your brother. Knowning the location of the Primatech Odessa office, you might show up and wreak havok, without Nathan to temper your emotions this time, and appear to be a villain.

Oly
Dec 4, 2007 17:51

1. So let me get this straight….. Sylar never had any powers right? but the way he gets them is by “eating the brain of a person who does have them”? And do we actually know how everybodys powers came to be? was it just genetics?

2. And if Hiro has Powers, then his dad should have right? and the same about Peter and Nathen…..

3. Also….. is there a set date for volume 3 to start?

4. Now since Peter can absorb others powers….. can he absorb the powers that Sylar steals? So basicly he can do evything Sylar can do and more…… and cant peter take people’s memories and stop people from using their powers since he was near the Hachin?

iced
Dec 4, 2007 18:03

is anyone wondering about what was in the room with the virus for example the brain or the key or the 3 queens in cards.

Amir Baloch
Dec 4, 2007 18:10

Ma ki Khuss Hogaye yaar ! maza ah gaya by watchin the last epi gandh pharoo ! Nathan Died? abay khuss i killed him .. ab season 3 will come in 2009 think till then salo ! and i agree with CoolJ u guys just think and post what will happen and we will write it in the heroes script . love u all
MA KI CHUT INC>

Shahjahan Mughal
Dec 4, 2007 18:15

ME agreez wit AmiR I liKed nathan He died not .. Maza nahe ab how will i do nasty thinkin with peters box? contact me if u want info i hav nathan sexy pictur he dancin and mat flyin
Oh yes i love elctro girl to see current my ass

btw… TUM SAB KI MAA KI CHUUUUUUTH…WHICH MEANS I “SEXY” YOUR MUTHAA WERD

LATERS

PEACE

siva
Dec 4, 2007 18:18

I dont think Sylar “eats their brains”. He just needs to see “how it works” in the brain as he understands how things work. In the episode “kindred” you can see that sylar didnt eat Candice’s brain..he just looked at it and tried to understand the genetic pattern. Also the back of the head seems to be where everything is..eg when sylar killed peter with the glass and it was lodged in the back of the head, same with claire with the branch and linderman. Sylar also opened the back of Candice’s brain to take her power.

Good to see sylar finally back with his powers..hopefully he will have candice’s ability of ilusion.

$hadow
Dec 4, 2007 18:56

Nathan petrelli will survive because he received the blood from the original Kensei to recover from Petrelli’s Napalm explosion injury, therefor the bullets wont kill him unless they hit his head.
The guy that shot at Nathan is the new character for the 3rd volume and seems to have the hability to pass unknown by the crowd because when the police arrives after the shooting he pass by them and they dont stop him, beside the Police psych, no one notices him.
Adam (the original Kensei) will return after the cemitery guard digs his grave due to the suspicious bury that has no record in the files.
The “Community” had another virus sample guarded in another place and will be released no matter what they do.
Sylar will join forces with Adam (the original Kensei) and they will try to rule the world.
I dont have anymore information reguarding the volume 3 for now but i can promisse that will be very interesting.
One last advise, if you noticed, every peak in the future from Hiro, The Painter, Sylar and Peter Petrelli was fullfilled, even when Hiro tryed to save his father, he couldnt do it, the referred “Bomb” that should have killed the city wasnt really a bomb but instead the virus anihillation itself, notice that when they go to the future, that date is the same date when Peter lost his love. Every future peaks will come true and only Adam (the original Kensei) can stop it as he is the only one that has the most pure regenerative blood and that can save all the people.

Now to answer one peculiar question from Lexindro:”What did Angela Petrelli mean with “Now you’ve opened Pandora’s Box…” ???”
She meant that when they (The Community) shot at Nathan, they were exposing themselfs even more (since the Police Psychic already made them believe Nathan’s speech) and that she knew that Nathan had healing power and they would broadcast the event worldwide, spreading the truth even more, making almost impossible for the Community and the Special Humans be safe, Human race isnt tolerant before the Humans with powers, therefor they will fight back and try to destroy them at all cost, leading to world war aka pandora’s box effect.

Cant wait for season 3.

John
Dec 4, 2007 19:36

That will be one of the questions we will have to wait for to be answered in volume 3.

Dylan
Dec 4, 2007 20:52

oh my god, the can…how original and scary.
I looked up pandora’s box for a reference and it actually sounds the foreground for heroes.
In the story, fire was stolen from the gods and given to humanity, and the box itself contains all the evils in the world.
Fire like power, evils like villains (obviously) sounds like heroes is getting mythological, lets just hope now the team has a solid idea on where heroes is going, and knows not to break the pace, season 3 should learn from the previous season’s mistakes, and it should be great.
Underline the ’should’.

Pai
Dec 4, 2007 20:57

another mystery, who/what the hell is pandora’s box? im starting to hate angela.

i dont understand whet the authors mean by “disturbing”, is it the injection part that looks like taking drugs? hmm.. i thought there’s an additional scene where sylar test open someone’s head and eat their brain on the spot, coz THAT might be disturbing. hahaha!

Dylan
Dec 4, 2007 21:21

Here’s my big theory:
“Pandora’s box” gateway to all evils.

Nathan has been shot but who i dont know, but angela seems afraid and when she speaks on the phone she seems to be agreeing, and there has been no true evidence of father petrelli’s death other than her word, which proves more often to be fickle.
I believe that the father is alive, and that there is something twisted about him…evil, the way he seems in the photo, blurred, back then happy, hes the founder of the law company, he uses kensei’s symbol, and there is very little known about him.
I believe he is alive, and hiding, and now that they have shot nathan…he is going to reveal himself for his son’s revenge, hence angela’s fear and agreement…
- -the have now opened pandora’s box.

torka
Dec 4, 2007 21:22

sylar!!! please, eat the screenwriters!!!!

zib
Dec 4, 2007 23:25

so did peter absorb adams power… well suppose its not much of a power but still…is pete gonna live forever too?

Dan
Dec 4, 2007 23:42

Sylar obviously does have a power. It is the ability to see what makes things “tick”, or as I believe he said what is wrong w/ them. Also, Hiro’s dad definitely had a power. He is one of the original company like Linderman and Adam. I always wanted to know what it was though.
Come back soon Heroes!!

Oly
Dec 5, 2007 0:56

see things tick? you make it sound like theres a manual in the back of everyones brain. and all he has to do is read it and then knows how to do it. see i dont believe that. Dr. Surech has been looking at all those genetic stuff and nowhere does it tell him how to do those things. It’s genetic, you have to have it attach to your genetics somehow to do it.

also, Peter had developed the power to regenerate from Claire (the Cheerleader) a long time ago. so he has always had the ability to regenerate.

Oly
Dec 5, 2007 1:12

“Gabriel discovers he has the power of intuitive aptitude; he is able to see how things work and use that to take the special powers of others after killing them.”

^^^ I Just found that… so i guess thats how it works, but it still is a little flakey to me.

Tom Baldwin
Dec 5, 2007 1:54

I am sure Peter has met Linderman, which means he can also heal. Also, the company can use Nathan, so I am sure he will have the same fate as Noah. The Company keeps Nathan alive, so Peter and Matt keep quiet.
Sylar does not only look at the brains, because the brain is always missing from the victims. I don’t think he takes it home to study either. So, he must have a way to absorb it or he eats the piece of the brain that generates these powers. His body must then mimic the Genetic Code.
I think the old generation took some vow to never use there powers or had there powers turned off.
Next season we will find out what is Sylar’s larger purpose. The company kept him alive for a reason. I can’t imagine he would continue with his Volume 1 Storyline. Maybe with the rise of the Villains there will be reason for him to make an alliance with the heroes.

spinal
Dec 5, 2007 2:02

cmon ppl…. heroes is the best show ive seen since smallville, 24 and prison break… i mean… lets get real, im tired of watching greys anatomy, scrubs or everybody hates raymond… so… give a break to heroes!!! who cares if sylar appears in every ending? the story is HOT!!! just enjoy…. ;)

Paul
Dec 5, 2007 5:42

Apparently we have 2 wait until september!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bullcrap

We need new baddies!!!!!!!!!!!

Lewis
Dec 5, 2007 5:57

Why didn’t Peter just walk through the safe door!? Like he did to get Adam free?

I think he frogets he can do these things sometimes :)

Rocking show, bring on volume 3!

Adrian
Dec 5, 2007 7:25

Maybe angela was referring to the fact that they just killed her son even though it was for the best in the company’s eyes.

Investigations will now begin and surely they, the government, will discover something.

And yes why doesn’t peter does give him some of his own blood or perhaps even fly over all the people in the conference to let them know what Nathan was talking about.

Hmmmmmm the posibilities are endless.

nathan
Dec 5, 2007 9:20

now sylar has injected himself with claires blood will he have cellular regenoration forever?? so many questions :( so long to wait

nathan
Dec 5, 2007 9:29

and what if sylar eats peters brain… he wud be able to do anything, well anything he knows somebody else cn do…
so why didnt sylar just kill peter first , eat his brain, take over the world with out killin every1. …

another point- now peters been around adam does he live forever now?because i dont think its been mentioned that claire has the capability to live for ever but adam has ….. ??????????? can any heroes geek answer these questions ???????????

$hadow
Dec 5, 2007 10:49

Hey nathan, yes Peter Petrelli will be able to live forever if his head wont be injured, also clair has the same power than adam does but Clare is more “inpure” since Adam is the only one that has the most pure regenerative power since 400 years ago.

bsdyh
Dec 5, 2007 10:55

when can we watch volume 3 ? anyone ?

Jee
Dec 5, 2007 12:15

darryl
The Irish girl existed in a possible future that no longer exists. When he destroyed the shaanti virus he destroyed her. How romantic.

kappa
Dec 5, 2007 12:25

If Adam can’t die, in the dark future of season 1 where is he? And how can villain unificate if Sylar wants to take every power? He will try to kill them all!

Luton Falls
Dec 5, 2007 12:26

Here in England Volume I is only just finishing tonight on TV!! …. Volume II was mint… but why was it so short? only 11 episodes rather than 23??? Whats this about a writers strike?? Hey if they want writers i’ll happily step up… and i’ll do it for free!! lol… why does no one think sylar is an ace baddy? he rocks mann… he looks so eeery and closet serial killer…. no way should they axe him…. (cant imagine him in star trek tho?) So does anyone reallly know when were gonna get to see volume III? or is there actually still half of volume II left and this is just wierd little teaser? so many questions!!

Keep Heroes running its the best thing on UK TV… we got nothing else good going on :(

Jee
Dec 5, 2007 12:39

$hadow, I don’t mean to be rude, but some some of the things you say just aren’t true. Example the first time Hiro went into the future he travelled 3 months, and that was before he went missing for 4 months. Another time he travelled forward 5 years. So what do you mean - glimpses of the future are always of the same date?

Bob
Dec 5, 2007 13:39

Bob ordered Nathans assasination.
Either a new guy or HRG shot Nathan.
Nathan will be ressurected in Volume 3.

Hiro2
Dec 5, 2007 13:49

Get it straight……………………..Peter cannot heal anyone. Its all about the blood. The reason Claire and Adam can heal because it is in their DNA. Peter’s DNA is to replicate other powers he has come across. Not to heal. For Peter to heal he has to mentally tell himself to heal.

sambam
Dec 5, 2007 13:57

omg!! how brilliant was that?!! Tim Kring is awsome!!!!

russell
Dec 5, 2007 18:07

this is kool but why do they have to stop it now. i got nothing to wach on tuesdays now dat prison break is gone as well

Nik
Dec 5, 2007 19:25

Peter, u said,

“Peter watched Adam cure Nathan with his blood… Peter can do what Adam can do, so why dosn’t Peter think lets try giving him some of my blood?!”

Dont u remember peter can only use an ability when he recall his memory of sum1 (ie claire to heal). So when he injected his blood into Nathan, how izzit gonna work once the blood seperated from Peter’s body? the blood aint got its own brain to remember…

daveph85
Dec 5, 2007 19:56

Here’s a better version of ‘Sylar The Sailor Man’ - complete with music!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNBHMeZHofM

Kev
Dec 5, 2007 21:11

Okay, a few things here I’ve picked up on.

First of all, Adam being able to live forever and Claire having the same ability. If you think back to the episodes with Hiro back in the past with Adam, Adam could only heal like Claire at the time. Now what I noticed in volume two “Generations” is that the powers can evolve. Just like Adams evolved into eternal life, and Matt can now do what his father could do, which is implant thoughts into peoples minds (essentially controlling them) and dropping them into nightmare states, like he did his own father. Generations showed the powers can evolve into greater things, and I think we’ll be seeing more of this in our heroes in Volume 3.

There appears to be a good chance that it was Bennett that shot Nathan, whether they’ll want to bring him back though would be risky. It’d be better to leave Peter going on a rampage, probably making him “grey” meaning he can lean towards either side, the good or the bad depending who he’s with.

I’m pretty sure we’ll see a few fights between Sylar and Peter, if only peter had that girls memory ability from Volume 1 (Hiros other love interest, notice how he gets all the girls? :P) Too bad its with Sylar though.

Now onto the “Pandora’s box” mention, I figured this can mean one of two things. Since Matt (As mentioned before by someone) already made the press believe Nathans story, it is likely the media will run the story all over the world, and anyone ever taken by the company will know who did it. This in my opinion will create the “Villains” of Volume 3, knowing they are a select few with powers. However the down side to this would be Heroes becoming Xmen, something I do not wanna see.

The other meaning that can be taken from the Pandora’s box reference is the obvious one, Peter going insane and taking the company down by storm. But the writers are good, very good and I don’t think they’ll do this without having a more subtle, surprising storyline hidden in peters motives.

This is just speculation though, I think its gearing up to be a good volume, I’m not sure how they could have ran with the virus storyline that well in all honesty but ah well, roll on Volume 3! :D

ryan
Dec 5, 2007 21:48

hey nik you said…

“Dont u remember peter can only use an ability when he recall his memory of sum1 (ie claire to heal). So when he injected his blood into Nathan, how izzit gonna work once the blood seperated from Peter’s body? the blood aint got its own brain to remember…”

this is not true when peter was found in cork in ireland in the shipping container he used his electirc powers and he had no memory of anything then, he did’t even no his name. he also used his telekinesis, his healing powers and painted the futre when he was in ireland and he had no memory of anythign then

patrick
Dec 6, 2007 4:08

well peter brother just got shot right in front of him. I think it means he’s pissed now and he’s going to start doing somthing with his powers. Hopefully because I’m tired of him trying to find himself he needs to become as powerful as everyone says he is. thats what I’m waiting for anyway.

theotheman
Dec 6, 2007 5:14

ok then i assure that there were many conflicts in volume 2, such as
1)if adam is so dangerous, why not u put a camera to watch him from surveillance room? and why do u put peter next to him? are u crazy? why dont u put camera to monitor two of them? so u prevent peter not to take haitian pills
2)Sureshhh are u crazy? poor sap? why do u claim sylar for anti-virus? and show him the injection? he wont kill u unless he get the cure; but u gave him injection. think if elle hadnt came to rescue them, sylar eventually kill all three(moly,suresh,maya). Suresh is the man who needs to be eliminated.. whats ur problem men? why do u point out the cure to sylar?
3)how can adam be dangerous? just because he lived 400 years.. thats crap? is claire dangerous? she always run away from trouble? if so why adam is dangerouos? as we seen that hiro can easily stop adam by teleporting..

before finishing my words, i am so sorry for nathan’s lost. i wish he revive in next volume.. because he is the one to lead anyone in the show. on the other hand i dont care nikki:)

theotheman
Dec 6, 2007 5:22

so image men that can do what can peter do?
and he is living over 1000 years?
why not!
writers spoils us about that , and see the real villain out there will show him in next volumes

SteveB
Dec 6, 2007 5:58

“Now you’ve opened pandora’s box”…
Well isn’t that the fact that they’ve killed Nathan, right in front of Peter, who’s now mastering his powers and will undoubtidly rain all his anger down on the company?
It’s about time Peter really started using his powers, he’s got so many he should be so kick-arse, not wet nursey boy.

Bring on Volume 3 - the sooner the better!

ms.anonymous
Dec 6, 2007 7:55

nonono. the sooner may not be the better =)

A NOTE TO TIM KRING AND GANG: Lesser new Heroes and more character development of the original Heroes please! Thanks!

AND.. DO Take your time to do Volume 3. We rather wait a lil longer and be much more satisfied with the end product. Saying on behalf of all fans!!! (I think) =DD But not tooo long ya?

In the meantime, Yatta to Sylar!

beedz
Dec 6, 2007 9:00

well minatti, ive read that heroes are trying to find an actor to play a new villan named “knox” hes has been described as a predator and he is related to micha’s grandma i think as a twist that knox is a kid but thats what i think i cant wait

theotheman
Dec 6, 2007 10:09

as i said before,
at the end of volume three, writes inform that new hero will introduced himself which have exact power of peter and as old as Adam.
do u understand?

Cami
Dec 6, 2007 10:14

Did anyone notice how the pulverized virus kinda seems to be absorbed by Peter? What if the virus is now sealed inside Peter’s body (who can’t die anyway) taking away his abilities? What if the title “powerless” is not referred to Sylar (who gets his powers back by the end of the episode) but to Peter?

theotheman
Dec 6, 2007 10:21

to cami
thats impossible, just because;
there will be no virus subject anymore, writers admitted that it gets suck
second, peter will take down this company individually and works colloboratively with other heores
third, peter is the key member that can not lose his powers cause of such shit virus.

GreekBrainEater
Dec 6, 2007 10:39

rock the party sylar mate!

Gabby
Dec 6, 2007 12:42

In The Words Of Rocky Balboa ” Adrian!” ( I’v always wanted a good enough reason to say the) I thought that the episode was one of the best.

DeathAfterLife
Dec 6, 2007 14:24

Omg, i always susspected that Sylar was pop-eye in descuise… Dum Dum Duuuum.

tripp
Dec 6, 2007 18:07

Oh my goodness, SYLAR is absolutly gorgeous when he gets evil, i love it! Ok so what is he going to do? I think maybe take more peoples abilities, which also makes me think, Claire, he just saw her ability in use on himself, that makes me think hes going to go after her maybe.

I agree with the people who say pendoras box is the revenge of peter for, he might turn evil, if nathan really is dead then its even more possible. Nathan was always, always there to turn peter in the correct direction, haha now hes gone!

Poor Micah- bad story, both parents?

I think its good Nathan got shot for the protection of the heroes, people would really freak out the way they did in “Five Years in the Future” that could totally ruin things, like everything! That would be a huge mistake!

This was a great show! Not so much on the season whole, but this got me ivested again. I cant wait! 4 months issssss sooooooooooo long from now!

LostlProph3t
Dec 6, 2007 19:13

she meant that they had unleashed a terrible evil on the world now…There is going to be a new villian in new orleans called Knox.

I personally think that Angela’s husband was behind the killing, since who else would she be talking to, and if she could do that to her own son, so could their father. Although he is thought to be dead, there is mystery involving him, such as the fact his head was turned in the pic. Coincedence, i think not. Get ready kids!

theotheman
Dec 7, 2007 2:44

so i am wondering after adam’s arrival that there are more heroes from the past and can be still liviing as of now. is it possible that undestructable heroes show off himself?

ms.anonymous
Dec 7, 2007 3:28

kane.. knox.. whoever..

wow. i cant wait.

and everyone seem to forget matt’s “punchline” after flying with nathan. ..”slow downnn.. slow downnn…! woahh! ok.. we dont talk about that, ever again!”

Kevin
Dec 7, 2007 5:17

First of all get a clue. Pandora’s Box is basically general knowledge and if you had to look it up you’re either 13 or an idiot. Second of all, stop with the conspiracy theories. Pandora’s Box is simple. Peter’s pissed and may even turn evil in his quest for revenge. I think Volume 3 will focus around Peter’s fight to balance himself and at some point we may even see a possible union with Sylar and Adam to achieve his revenge.

Whether it end with Peter’s death or his redemption remains to be seen…

J-Fizzle
Dec 7, 2007 8:36

I think what Angela means is, now that Nathan is dead there is nothing that will stop Peter (if he decides to go evil). Peter knows that he is the most powerful of them all and with Nathan gone Peter doesn’t have his “conscience” to help keep him on the right path.

J-Fizzle
Dec 7, 2007 8:52

I love the fact that Adam is entombed, but, I guarantee that this will change Hiro forever. Did you notice his demeanor and the way he talked to Ando at the end of “Powerless”. But, Hiro will remain a good guy.

I think if they bring Jessica back (or when rather) there is going to have to be a Suresh injection involved. Maybe she survives the explosion but her vitals are marginal. So, when Suresh finds this out he rushes to her aid. Gives her the injection to “cure” her but because of Maury’s mind trick the only person that comes out is Jessica. I think this would give the writers the ability to have Jessica run wild for a volume and then be either taken down by the company or fixed by Matt.

I think that fans will be REALLY dissappointed if Nathan does not return but I think they should leave him dead for a while so that Peter can develop some more. Then in a mid-volume twist Nathan appears and tries to convince Peter that the company has had him and helped revive him.

I am almost certain that Noah shot Nathan… Company can get people to places quickly and Noah is morally gray. Why wouldn’t he shoot Nathan if it would protect his family.

It will be sad when they kill off Micah in the next volume but that is the spark that “St. Joan” needs to turn her into a super hero because she will feel responsible for his death and will want to do what Micah would have done (save the world).

And I have a theory about the Petrelli Family Secret…..
I think Angela and Dallas were Peter and Nathan’s adopted parents. This is why we haven’t seen a power from either of them. Dallas we know doesn’t have a power (because of online novels) and Angela hasn’t “really” shown us hers. Plus it would make sense she is all about the company and protecting their secrets at any cost…. sounds like Noah’s convictions… so I think that Kaito Nakamura, Angela & Dallas Petrelli are all adopted parents…. that fit in the “morally gray” category. Remember from the GNs and from Bob..”We always pair one super to one normal, it’s a balancing act to make sure what needs to happen does.”
Then the true villians “the company” will be exposed.

what do you guys think?

Mr Muggles
Dec 7, 2007 9:28

Why did Claire’s blood revive H.R.G.??…He was shot in the head and theres meant to be no coming back from that !.

What was all the stuff locked in the vault ?? Adam was about to take that gold key…to where?? And the brain ? And playing cards ?

Any theories ??

Mrs Muggles
Dec 7, 2007 14:27

Remember that time in Season 1 where Claire got some wood stuck in her brain? Or when Peter was stabbed in the brain by a piece of glass? But when the pieces were removed it healed as usual I think as long as something isn’t in the way, anything can be cured. OR… Maybe the bullet somehow didn’t reach H.R.G’s brain?

The stuff in the vault will probably be answered in Season 3, I have no idea what they mean though…

ur mum
Dec 7, 2007 15:26

hey guys hu do u think killed nathen patrelli?

guilison
Dec 8, 2007 2:09

i wanna see sylars head cut off damn kick his ass on the show tim kring com on whats happening to you think think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

theotheman
Dec 8, 2007 6:49

golden key opens the evil doors i guess:)
is it make sense that knoks would join the cast as villain. besides adam says they would have killed me if they could i assure u peter!
how he isnt killed? just a bullet thorugh the dead spot? why not?
could pls explain me why did adam say this? and why did they put adam next to peter if heis so dangeorus? and why they didnt take his blood to heal other ones??
pls answer my bloody questions
damn i love comin sylar’s back

topdogger
Dec 8, 2007 10:47

help i,m from england where or how do i get vol2

Hiro-fan
Dec 8, 2007 13:20

I don’t think you can get volume two yet. I don’t think volume two will be for sale until volume 3 his done, because volume 2 and volume 3 are both season 2. They were just broken into two parts. You’ll have to wait to buy volume 2&3 together for the complete season 2 of heroes??? I think, I really don’t know anything. I’m just going of what I’ve read from various sources.

theotheman
Dec 8, 2007 16:20

TO:topdogger

hi, i have full episode loaded on internet with rapidshare format,
my msn address k_t_e_85@hotmail.com, contact me, i assure u would ne pleased

bob
Dec 8, 2007 18:45

im guessing angela petrelli is refering to peter when shes says ‘now youve opened pandoras box’ because peter and nathan are so close and peter could explode again lol

ms.anonymous
Dec 8, 2007 23:30

who’s dallas again?

i agree with J-Fizzle, about the fact that they should let nathan die for a while and let peter’s character develop (maybe towards the evil side?). im sure we will love to see that, dont we? =D

DART
Dec 9, 2007 15:34

what do you mean always the same villain every season finale this is the first time sylar has come BACK.He LOST his abilitys in the first one.you dont need to get rid of sylar to have new bad guys!havent u ever heard of an antagonest regular?And why exactly is sylar gay?

DART
Dec 9, 2007 15:48

the abilities are in the brain,a specific part of the brain,there is no coming back from someone taking your head comleatly off,beacause if you do that abviously you got that part of their brain.but i do think if you knew where it was like sylar does, you could shoot them there or somthing and they would die.

DART
Dec 9, 2007 15:59

its ok Kev, all peter has to do is be around sylar.thats who he got his telekinetic abilities from.thats what makes sylar the perfect villian for this show…since peter is the main protagonist and his ability is absorbing other abilities he and sylar will always be equal…oposite,but equal.

DART
Dec 9, 2007 16:08

sylar does NOT have a power,ya he sees things and knows how they work,its called intuitive…somthing,people have it in real life.

DART
Dec 9, 2007 16:22

you guys really need to listen better.peter probably will live forever,but he got that from claire.the healing ability didnt evolve.when people age their organs(skin,liver,heart,etc.)start having problems your skin starts wrinkeling your heart gets weaker,all different kinds of stuff.well eventually one of those things kills you.well,since adam can heal his body restors itself and boom!just like new!the reason you age a little(adam is 30 so obviously he didnt stay the way he was when he was born)is beacause geting older isnt bad,its when you hit the point were you are no longer growing and geting stronger,that your body starts working backwards(geting weaker,shrinking,less hair.

DART
Dec 9, 2007 17:00

you guys really dont realize what sylar is!he will or at least should always be a part of the show.He is cool for one, and two the concept of sylar is brilliant(the time peice references,wanting to be special).it would be a mistake and worse a wast of a very good idea to get rid of him.

food&liquor
Dec 10, 2007 0:38

“Peter can… stop people from using their powers since he was near the Hachin?”

No. As soon as he is within close enough proximity to absorb the Hatian’s powers, his powers would already be negated by the Haitin. So theoretically, he could never get the Haitins powers.

mr muggles: “Why did Claire’s blood revive H.R.G.??…He was shot in the head and theres meant to be no coming back from that !.”

He was revived because his brain was still intact. Sorta like how Peter came back in Season 1 after the piece of glass had been dislodged. I think the thing that there is no coming back from is total decapitation. Or at least the total destruction of the brain.

Carmen
Dec 10, 2007 14:54

i can’t wait anymore!
can someone tell me for when the third season…?
love heroees =)

heroes owns any uk drama blates!!
Dec 10, 2007 18:54

4 months!?
how rude!
end of series was a tad blah..
and yeah…what did happen to that Irish chick peter shacked up with? hmm..
oooer imaging being in a coffin for eternity :O
wow.

Dylan
Dec 10, 2007 22:23

Thanks for the criticism ‘Kevin’.
Pandora’s box is a reference previously used, so yes perhaps it is more or less common knowledge, but as many would agree ‘common knowledge’ is common not precise.
In future, just to balance my own thoughts, peter wouldnt turn evil, hes just experienced a story arc that expressed a similar stage, redemption or not a volume called ‘villains’ is a focus on villains, much like generations was a focus on the previous heroes, and genesis was a focus on beginnings…
next time, feel free to criticise, but attempt to reference heroes as a start and suggest something not suggested…no one gets any further with people agreeing with other people, because otherwise we’d be stuck on a thought forever.
Better luck next time kevin.

Dylan
Dec 10, 2007 22:26

irony is a hassle too kevin, ’stop with the conspiracies theories’, fair enough, but as a reminder your thoughts on season 3 are theories…and your thoughts of a villainary union are close to conspiring.

Dylan
Dec 10, 2007 22:29

ps pandoras box is compiled through three seperate events divulged through fourteen different impressions.

mik3y
Dec 11, 2007 11:52

its funny how it says “warning some might find this disturbing”

Jesus Christ that spinach is so scary ill have to wirte a complaint lol.

candlestick
Dec 11, 2007 17:18

Pandorra’s Box refers to the release of Angela Petrelli’s powers, which she has held back until now.

There are still other people of the generation in Matt’s photograph (including Micah’s grandmother?) that we don’t know about.

What WAS all that in the vaults??

Where else does Kensei leave his mark throughout the centuries??

For those of you in the UK, check out

http://www.cucirca.com/2007/05/27/watch-heroes-online/

(you have to pause some of the youku clips and watch them when it’s loaded!)

Desperately awaiting volumne three…

hope_this_helps?
Dec 11, 2007 18:53

Duh ..Pandora’s Box refers to Peter. as in now they have angered the almightly and powerful PETER! thus creating havoc.

hope_this_helps?
Dec 11, 2007 18:55

gosh is it me or is Elle so freaking hot man .. i nuts about her!

theotheman
Dec 12, 2007 1:59

pls try to respond my questions, i am wondering much

Mr. Malkio
Dec 12, 2007 3:25

Wow

ok 1 please stop harping on the reference to the opening of pandora’s box! because it is exactly that a reference or a metaphor not to a person but a situation including peter, normal society and anyone else who has an ability

also I highly doubt nathan is dead if they just keep bringing people back with superblood. If you noticed there has been noone that as been harmed AFTER recieveing the blood so it is’nt determined if its a one shot deal or you keep the ability forever. which means its a possiblity that noah, nathan, mya, and yes sylar are now immortal. but there is also nothing that says they are. the scene just stopped after nathan got shot you don’t get to see if he died or not… and every reference to him said he got shot not that he even died in the first place. maybe the intentions were’nt even to kill him. they could after all just have aimed for each one of their heads.

during that conference parkman did’nt make anyone believe anything he just simply made everyone want to be at this conference non of them prolly even know why they are there in the first place they just had the thought in there head that this is a good story but they don’ tknow why. the assassin would infact have to be a super because he blatanly walks calmly down the hallway as police rush in to make sure noone leaves.

as to it being noah i don’t think so they move fast but not that fast. the flying boy is’nt with anyone and hiro is the only person that could move that fast because everyone is in NY and the conference was in texas right next to the plant becuase they are in the same city. and the only people that new what nathan was about to say was someone from the company becuase it was planned in the vault that had survailence cameras and